Forum poświecone modyfikacji do gry mountblade

Alex

Post here your prospositions for Toops Tree for fractions in mod !

Beleg

I think we should make a list of factions first. For now, certain are only Cossacka and Tatars.

Zahir

Just some idea.... I like very much mods, where you have plenty of units, it allows you to have much more fun. I like also, when some "general" unit has different subunits, including hierarchy, ranks, etc, etc. That's why even if we are talking about in example "hussar" unit, i would like to see subunits like "Hussar standard bearer", "Hussar Rotamaster" , or even unrecruitable units like "Hetman" or "Cossack Attaman", "Bunczuk bearer" etc, etc.
I know, that this means more work for scripters, but it is more interesting for mod, imo.
And to be clear, i mean only one/two units of this kind on party, especially in bigger, patrol or war parties.

So i suggest to start discussion about units, which you want to see in this mod.

KAm2150

I think that polish unit tree sholud start from two units: Pesant and Noble. Pesants will rise to Piechota Wybraniecka(Chosen Infantry) with Pike/Berdish and Sabre/Rapier and to Ranged Piechota Wybraniecka wth Musket/Arquebus and Sabre/Rapier. Next they will rise to Veteran and Elite Piechota Wybraniecka. We should debat about noble upgread tree. They will later rise to Hussar Comrade/Winged Hussar. But what else?? Lisowczyk or Rajtar?? Write here your proposals.

Beleg

Well, we know that we can do more than 4 types (paths) of units for one faction. We already know which factions we are planning, so we could start to collect units trees.
My idea is that Polish troops could separate in 2 distinct groups- Autorament narodowy i Autorament cudzoziemski (National and Foreign troops- autorament was a group of formations divided by origin- so, for example, dragoons and raitars, as formations that came from west, were in Cudzoziemski Autorament). In each group we could produce infantry and cavalry. In Cudzoziemski autorament there should be 3 paths- for cavalry, melee infantry (pikeniers) and shooting infantry (musketeers). In Narodowy Autorament- 4 paths:for husaria, pancerni (medium cavalry), light cavalry and shooting infantry (polish infantry rarely fought in melee).
Of course each path could have some upgrades.
Send your ideas.

Beleg

Ok, this is my proposition of Polish troops tree. There should be 2 basic units -paesants and nobles. Each would have separate tree.
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So, let's discuss. What do you think?

KAm2150

Great list. We have almost same ideas Wink

But I can't read what is in this yellow boxes Wink

And why servant is being upgraded to selected infantry ?? Selected infantry was created from pesant, not from łanowy infantry. But it is still awesome list.

Beleg

Yes, I know, yellow boxes in first list include:
Arkebuzjer (Arquebusier)->Rajtar(Ritter)->Kirasjer (Cuirassier)
They are all shooting/melee cavalry of western style, and cuirassiers were using full (well, at least "half-quarter") armour- very dangerous enemy, but should be really expensive.

KAm2150

I accept this tree. But I'am little confused with pesant upgread later to Kirasjer, they better suit for noble upgread, but for now It's the best idea.

Beleg

Well, yes, you are right generally. But basicly in Cuirassiers served mostly western foreigners (after all, we've had enough cavalry types for young nobles, and in Poland there were very, very few units equiped in full armour- mainly Livonians). Path of western cavalry isn't long, but I thought that next level could require more (many, many more) experience, because level of cuirassier could be reached too quicly.
I think about changing that path. Also, soon I'll post cossack and tartar troops.

Gregor Eisenhorn

Someone on the M&B forums said that Tartars should be an upgrade of the Ukrainian troops--NO! Don't do this!
1) Everyone hired the Tartars. It wasn't specifically Ukrainians who used them.
2) They are completely different nations, and it would be messed up seeing a European upgrade into Tartars.
3) Why should tartars be the UPGRADE?? More like the degrade...Cossacks were the better fighters!!!

Beleg

Don't worry, there will be separate Tartar faction (Crimean Khaganate)+ independent parties- Czambuls, working like bandits.

Gregor Eisenhorn

If I "don't have to worry", then I assume that the tartars will be an independent faction...? I don't want them mixed in with any other faction.

Beleg

Zahir

Just some thoughts..... I don't like idea, where Haiduk is upgrading to Lanowy Infantry .... it was quite different unit.

Also, if i'm correct, i don't understand why Lipek should upgrade from Nobleman. Lipek was Tatar, who has right to settle in Poland and was hired in polish army. Lipek wasn't nobleman.

Same with Lisowczyk..... There was a lot of non - noblemen in Lisowczycy regiments. That's why it seems a bit strange for me....

And one thing more.... How it happens, that you have forgot about Wolodyjowski? Where are DRAGOONS ? Razz

I would rather see Haiduks upgrading to Dragoons, than to Lanowy Infantry.